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Sure, but you could say that about so many aspects of our culture, and especially our violent movies/shows.Contrast this with a (fairly arbitrarily picked) movie that, in my opinion, deserves way more scorn and criticism than this movie: Worse: like many of Tarantino’s movies and many violent movies in general, it makes vicious, over-the-top killing seem cool. Joaquin Phoenix speaks out“To me, there are so many different ways to view this character and his experience that I don’t think you can come up with a particular meaning.”Phoenix told the publication the ongoing debate surrounding Joker is testament to the film’s ability to encourage viewers to question everything and stir up emotional responses from audiences.He did, however, reveal where he stands on one contentious rumour about Fleck: whether or not he is the actual Joker.Revealing he does believe the character is the real Joker, he added: “But I don’t know. It’s a common pattern for schizophrenics to imagine and verbalize that they’ve killed multiple people, even while being non-violent in real life. These are things that a person in a low-security mental institution would be experiencing, not a person who had done what he did (at least not for a while after he did it).The bloody footsteps he takes in the hallway in the final scene are, in this view, in his mind, and would symbolize his unhealthy pre-occupation with death and destruction. The victim was a co-worker of his who obviously cared for Arthur. A few elements that emphasize this idea:• Fleck is disorganized. It could be to mock our infatuation with such things.For example, you can find article about how the Joker character is actually lauded by anarchists, nihilists, and just the depressed and discontent. He can scarcely make any normal plans. "Joker," starring Joaquin Phoenix, tells the origin story of the infamous Batman villain. These illogical assignings-of-meaning are something that happen in our world every day.Also, the movie depicts what can happen when mentally ill people have easy access to guns. The “action” is a series of disturbing mentally ill violent acts.Let’s take the most gruesome one; the killing of his friend/co-worker. I’ll elaborate on these ideas in the following sections.The most obvious way it’s not a super-hero movie is that there is no real action in any fun, escapist sense. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the movie. This seems pretty deliberate and though Todd Philips denies this has any meaning behind it, it pops up far too often to be just a coincidence unless someone on the set is just really really lazy. As with many movies, it’s going to be misunderstood by a lot of people, and for better or worse this movie is largely attracting a younger audience and an audience not used to thinking that much about what they assumed would be a fun superhero movie.There are several scenes that reinforce that this is not the origin story of someone who will become a super-villain mastermind. We break down what the ending means, and the many hints to it throughout the movie. That is what I mean when I say the movie is subversive; it subverts our expectations and, in a broader sense, makes us question our excitement about rooting for twisted characters who, in the real world, would necessarily have very bad psychological issues.Exiting the theater after the show, a kid said he liked how they’d kept the ending open for a sequel.
It’s easy to imagine such a person identifying with some other insane movie villain, of which there are many to choose from.Follow all the topics you care about, and we’ll deliver the best stories for you to your homepage and inbox.
It was a fairly realistic depiction of the kind of unmotivated, illogical, and disorganized violence some mentally ill people are capable of.There was nothing justified or fun in this killing. It’s just my opinion.”Joker 2019: The movie left more questioned asked than answered for fans Joker finished with Fleck in an institution after he shot talk show host Murray Franklin (played by Robert De Niro) live on air, inciting violent riots on the streets of Gotham.However, it was left unclear as to what was real and what had been the product of his deluded mind.Elsewhere, director Phillips has previously spoke about the movie’s ambiguity in relation to the twist which saw the possibility of the Joker being related to Batman introduced.Joker after credits: Is there a post credit scene after the Joker?Jared Leto joker CUT from Suicide Squad: Replaced by Joaquin Phoenix?It was once again unclear whether the genetic link was true or imagined by his mother (Frances Conroy), whose letters revealed she believed Thomas Wayne (Brett Cullen) was his father.When Fleck turns up at Wayne Manor in a bid to speak to the man he thinks is his father, he is turned away by Alfred Pennyworth (Douglas Hodge).He later sneaks into an event to confront Wayne, who is far from pleased to see him.Wayne tells Fleck, in no uncertain terms, that he is not his father and that his mother was deluded, but Fleck is left unsure of the truth.“I liked leaving the idea of Arthur being Thomas Wayne’s son ambiguous,” Phillips told Empire Magazine. In the gritty, down-to-earth world the movie depicts, and with some basic knowledge of how psychological disorders work, it’s difficult to imagine such a disorganized and troubled person ever becoming any sort of organized mastermind.This I think is the most overlooked part of the movie. See today's front and back pages, download the newspaper, order back issues and use the historic Daily Express
What they got instead was mental illness and tragedy. This character’s turn for the worse is kicked off by an acquaintance giving him a gun, and the character then using it.We’re so used to seeing guns and gun violence in movies, this plot point may easily go unnoticed by most people.For one thing, irresponsible movie/TV violence surrounds us. But this really is participatory and interactive. The concept of Batman might just be a schizophrenic’s paranoid delusions.What is the meaning of the city mob that embraces the murderous clown, and eventually Fleck, as a symbol for their movement?If we keep the subversiveness of the movie in mind, and how it makes us question our expectations and sympathies for insane villains/anti-heroes, I’d argue that the mob represents how we assign deeper meanings, or even completely wrong meanings, to movies and heroes and villains.